The transcript below was provided by Oneness Dubai:
Q1. Please guide us how to make Amma and Bhagwan more and more physical in our lives and how to take care of them? Thank you Bhagwan.
Sri Bhagwan: The two conditions for Amma Bhagwan to become physical to you is – you should carry no hurt inside you, you should be free of all hurt. And the next thing is: you must be filled with Gratitude towards everyone who has helped you in your life, starting with your Parents. If these two conditions are met then Amma Bhagwan would physically manifest in your own homes. When that happens, you must talk to Amma Bhagwan; the more you talk, the more physical they would become.
Initially, what would happen is you would find some movements in the Shrimurti. The eyes blinking, the hands moving, or Amma & Bhagwan talking, these kind of things you are likely to see. That is the first step. The next step is, Amma Bhagwan or your Ishta-devata, whatever God you are worshipping, that’s what you would see. That God would step out of the Shrimurti. In case you are worshipping Amma Bhagwan, they would step out of the Shrimurti. We call this the first level of manifestation. We also call this, “physical non-physical”, that is: it would look physical, but if you try to touch your hand would go inside Amma Bhagwan. Therefore it is non-physical. That is the first step.
Next what happens is, as you communicate more and more, as you talk more and more, then it becomes “physical physical”, that is it would look physical, you could also touch, you could feel the breath, you could touch the hand, you could touch the ‘Jubba’ (long shirt), all these things you could do, but then you cannot photograph. If you click the photograph, it would not come in the photograph.
The third level is it would become “physical physical physical”, it look physical, you could touch it is physical, you could also photograph. But then, Amma Bhagwan would stay inside your Pooja Room, they will not come out. In the fourth stage, they would come out of the Pooja Room, they would walk in your house. They could come to the dining table, they could watch TV with you, they could come into your kitchen, all these things would happen.
And in the fifth level, they could come out of the house itself and walk with you. That’s the next level. But for all this to happen, you must be very communicative. For example, if you are a very reserved person who does not talk, who does not listen, then Amma Bhagwan would not talk to you, would not listen to you. You must be a friendly person communicating with your Mother, with your Father, with your Husband, with your wife, with the children. Only for such people it would happen.
If you are a reserved person who does not listen to what anybody is talking, or you do not talk, for such people this would not happen. So step by step it would increase. And of course you must ask Amma Bhagwan, or your God who has manifested, what should you do? What kind of food they would like to eat – would they like to stay in your house – do you have a room for them … all these things are between you and your physical manifestation … you must talk, and they will guide you completely what to do.
Depending on that, they would be there and of course you can ask whatever you want. Whatever trouble you have you can directly ask, “I have financial problem”, “I have a health problem”, I have that problem, this problem, or you can say “Give me Awakening”, “Give me Transformation”, whatever we have been teaching you, you could straight away ask, and they would give you a Deeksha. That is the highest Deeksha.
God Himself, the Divine itself, coming to you physically giving you a Deeksha. When that Deeksha is given, it is all over. All the human Deeksha is only a preparation for that. The ultimate Deeksha is, the Divine itself give you a Deeksha. When that, that is done, it is all over. What you must know is the Divine can become very, very physical, it will actually live with you like another family member. It would become that physical. That you must understand.
Q2: Thank you, Bhagwan. Bhagwan, how to discover love in our relationships Bhagwan? Given our stressful lives, Bhagwan. Thank you, Bhagwan.
Sri Bhagwan: Yes, love in relationships is also very, very important in making the Divine physical to you. And for that to happen, what you must do is: you must move into the shoes of your wife, or husband, or parents, as the case may be and try to look at things as the other is looking. You always have your point of view, that is not enough, you must move into the other person’s shoes and look at the world, or look at yourself as they are looking.
This is easily achieved, this is not difficult. When that happens judgment ceases. As judgment goes down, love goes up. You do not have love because you are constantly judging … the past, the past knowledge, the past images, with all that you are judging your spouse, be it your husband or your wife or your parents. Continuously the mind is judging; where there is judgment, there is no love, Judgment must stop. Nobody should be judged. And it is achieved only if you take the other person’s point of view. If that could happen, judgment naturally and automatically stops. When that happens, you are very beautifully filled with love. And once you have love in your heart, the Divine will quickly become “physical physical physical”.
Q3: Thank you, Bhagwan. Bhagwan, how to liberate our Ancestors, Bhagwan? How to receive their Blessings, Bhagwan? And how does it help in our daily lives, Bhagwan? Thank you, Bhagwan.
Sri Bhagwan: It is very easy to liberate your Ancestors, by praying to your Divine, when your Divine become physical, to bring your Ancestors. Out of the Shrimurti your Ancestors would come out. You can actually see your Ancestors physically. And you could request your Amma Bhagwan or the God that you are worshipping to liberate them. It would happen then and there.
You can actually, physically meet your dead Ancestors. They can come out, it is happen in many places. And the best day to it is their Death Anniversary. During the Anniversaries, you could pray and they could come out. On that day you could also make dishes, which your Ancestor likes, place them there and your Ancestors would eat those dishes. They will eat it, it is happening. And they would be very, very happy with you and they would also give you a Blessing and they would go back to the Shrimurti and vanish. That is the best way to liberate your Ancestors and the best day is their Death Anniversary, whatever year it is 42nd year, or 43rd year or even the 50th year of the Anniversary you could do it.
Q4: Bhagwan, how does it help in our daily lives, Bhagwan … the Blessings of our Ancestors, Bhagwan?
Sri Bhagwan: Many of the problems are because of your Ancestors not being happy with you. Now this kind of thing, where you invoke them, get them there, and you do a PadaPranam to them, your dead Ancestors, and you feed them what they like and getting a Blessing from them would almost instantly solve your problems. The problems are there because you do not have their Blessings. That’s one way of solving your problems.
Q5: Thank you, Bhagwan. Bhagwan, please explain the deeper meaning of the statement, Bhagwan: “Gratitude is the mother of all good feelings”. Thank you, Bhagwan.
Sri Bhagwan: You are all controlled by a ‘program’. All that is happening in our life, our finances, or husband-wife, sickness, ailments, success-failure, these are manifestations of the program. The program itself comes from past-lives, the moment of conception, whatever happened in the womb, the delivery – how it happened, and the first six hours are very, very crucial … and then the first six year. That is the program which completely controls everything about you.
Now, there are positive aspects and negative aspects in the program. When you have Gratitude, what happens is: all the positive things in the program they get switched on. And the negative things get switched off. On the other hand, if you do not have Gratitude then the positive ones get switched off and the negative ones get switched on. So one of the simplest ways of changing the program is to build up Gratitude. It can happen by easily going into the other persons shoes, or reviewing your life, it is easily achieved. Once you have Gratitude you will see your life is beginning to change.
Q6: Sri Bhagwan, please explain the difference between Physical Amma Bhagwan, Satyalok Amma Bhagwan, and Antaryamin Amma Bhagwan.
Sri Bhagwan: So for this you must understand Amma & myself, we are not ‘physical’ Amma Bhagwan. We are only ‘Avatar Amma Bhagwan’, that’s all. We can give you a Blessing, we cannot do things; this is done by ‘Paramatma Amma Bhagwan’ who are becoming physical to you, in your homes or in the chambers. That is the Paramatma Amma Bhagwan who actually do things. Now, we are only some kind of Guides and we are blessing.
So you should now get to the Paramatma Amma Bhagwan, who become physical to you. They would be helping your with all your affairs, totally and completely. They would be taking care of your spiritual growth, everything. And in case they become physical to you can be sure that when you die you could be going to Vaikunt or Satyaloka above. That’s where you will be going. to go there, it means you have got your visa to go there, it is very physical.
Now, with the help of this Paramatma Amma Bhagwan you can go to the ‘Purushottama Amma Bhagwan’. That is another Loka (realm) where they exist, physically exist, much more real than this Loka. But you cannot get there without the help of the Paramatma Amma Bhagwan. So you should request them, ask them to take you there. When that happens, you could actually visit that Loka. And you could see Purushottama Amma Bhagwan there, or you could see Purushottama Rama, or Purushottama Krishna, Purushottama Christ, whatever is your faith, or whatever God you are worshipping, that is the God you would be seeing in that Loka.
Now, with the help of that Purushottama, let us say Amma Bhagwan, if you get close to them, build up a bond with them, then with that help, you could go to the ‘Jyoti’ (Divine Light). The Jyoti is much beyond. The Jyoti is like a billion Suns put together. But that Love or Compassion, you cannot imagine. You could even get there. And then, when you get to the Jyoti, with the help of the Jyoti, you could go to the unmanifest Bramhan or what in the Mantra we call: ‘Om’.
Now for example electricity we have no idea about it all. But when it manifests as heat, light, motion, or electromagnetic waves, then we know Oh yes, there is electricity. But when it is unmanifest, we have no idea about it. That Om or Bramhan is the unmanifest. That is the ground from which everything starts. In the Bible it is said, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.” And God said, “Let there be Light”. That Word only is Om, that is the Bramhan, that is ‘The One’ of Taoism. That manifests as Light.
We start the Moolamantra with Om, and that Light is ‘Sat Chit Ananda Parabrahma’. That is the Moolamantra, it says, “Om, Sat Chit Ananda Parabrahma” … that becomes the Purushottama, that Light becomes the Purushottama. And therefore we say Purushottama. That Purushottama becomes the Paramatma. That why the Mantra says, Paramatma. And that Paramatma has created the Avatar, so we say, Bhagavati Sameta Bhagavate Namaha. That’s what you are reciting every day without knowing what it means!
But now, when the Lord becomes physical to you, you should ask, “Please take me to the Purushottama”. And when you get there you must ask, “Take me to Sat Chit Ananda Parabrahma”. And when you go there you can say, “Take me to Om or Bramhan”. So you could go there. And that’s where you will finally reach. So step by step you can go, it all depends on you. If you want to be one with the unmanifest God, you could you could go there and when you go there you will realize that you only are that God, in the beginning you see, the Avatars you see, then you see the Paramatma, then you see the Purushottama, then you see the Light.
But when you go into Om, the Bramhan, you only are that! You alone exist! You are everything! There is nothing else. You are only that sublime God, the highest God, the God of Gods. That, you only are that! All this is only a journey towards that. Suddenly you discover you only are that. Then you say, “Tat TvamAsi” – Thou Art That. Or “AhamBrahmasmin” – I Am That Bramhan. So all these teachings from the Upanishads, they become reality to you.
So AdiShankara got there. People like Ramanujacharya, Madhavacharya, Namdev, Chaitanya, all these people – Christ, Guru Nanak, all of them went up to the level of Purushottama. The Alvaars, the Nayanmaars. They could have gone above if they wanted to, but they wanted to stay there, that’s what they preferred. Some went into the Jyoti, like Ramalingaswamy who said, “Arul Perum Jyoti, Taniperum Karunai”. So they went there, and people like AdiShankara went beyond Jyoti into Bramhan.
So it is all a matter of discovery, it all depend upon you, where you want to go. But you must start with the Paramatma who becomes physical to you. That is the beginning of the journey. Once it happens everything is automatic thereafter. It depends on your passion and your seeking.
Q7: Bhagwan, what role does Seva play in our lives to deepen our connection with Amma Bhagwan, Bhagwan? And how does it help us to move further into Oneness, Bhagwan? Thank you, Bhagwan.
Sri Bhagwan: Seva helps you in changing your very ‘program’, in a very positive way. As you keep doing Seva the program changes. Everything in Oneness, whether it is Havan, or whether it is a Mahadeeksha, or a Level-1 course or whatever course we are conducting, everything aims at changing the program. The Seva also changes the program. Once the program changes, you can get very very close to the Paramatma Amma Bhagwan.
It helps you to make the Divine physical for you in life. And then of course whatever Seva you must do Paramatma only will guide you straight away. It would say, do this, do that, it will help you to discover your Swadharma. It is purely between you and the Paramatma.
Q8: Bhagwan, please guide us how to start Oneness Communities, Bhagwan. And how to establish Oneness Centres, Bhagwan. And also the two-chamber and three-chamber Processes Bhagwan. Thank you, Bhagwan.
Sri Bhagwan: First you must be able to get the Paramatma physically in your life. And then you must create a virtual community, where you keep talking on you cell phones every day about the teachings, about the Miracles, and you keep discussing about various problems, you pray for others, this kind of thing must happen. And then you move on to creating the chambers. Either the two-chamber Process or the three-chamber Process. For which we must, in the University here, we will ask the physical Amma Bhagwan, not we – the Paramatma who becomes physical.
Our Dasas talk to them every day. For the Dasas, Paramatma is totally physical. They will ask them, and they must select you. Only such people can start this two-chamber or three-chamber Process. The two-chamber Process is only for healing. The three-chamber Process is not just for healing, it is for solving your other problems and to help you to become Awakened, Transformed, God Realized, all those things.
That you must start. So first Paramatma must become physical to you; that’s most important. And then you start the virtual community. And then you move on to the chambers and then you move on to a physical Oneness Community. For all that, the Divine only will help you; it will help you in constructing, putting up the Communities. It is purely between you and the Paramatma.
Q9: Thank you, Bhagwan. How to progress towards Transformation and God Realization after Awakening, Bhagwan? Thank you, Bhagwan.
Sri Bhagwan: Oneness moves on two paths. The earlier path was, which we even now do, what we call the ‘long way’. Where we first transform your brain, and we Awaken you. Which means a change has happened in your brain whereby you would be able to stay with the ‘what-is’ without effort. That you must practice. Initially you must put effort and stay with the ‘what-is’. Then slow the effort ceases and it becomes automatic – staying with the ‘what-is’ effortlessly happens. And you keep on doing that till it crosses 49 minutes. When it crosses 49 minutes changes, physical changes start happening in your heart. Like the brain changed, the heart changes.
Now, the heart and the brain are closely linked. But very often in our case the head is controlling all your activities. Now once this happens the heart begins to control all your activities. We call this ‘Christian Awakening’, or you discover unconditional love. That happens. Once this has happened, and the Brain has changed, and they continue for more than 49 minutes, you move into ‘Taoist Awakening’.
In Taoist Awakening, you would simple flow with life. That begins to happen automatically. Or also leads to Islamic surrender, or we call it ‘Islamic Awakening’. That’s what happens. And then finally changes begin to happen in what is called your Agneya Chakra, it moves there, where you discover ‘Buddhist Awakening’.
In Buddhist Awakening there is absolutely no craving, and there are no views, that happens. And then the Kundalini goes up further and the Sahasrara get activated. And then you come up on ‘Hindu Awakening’. In Hindu Awakening what happens is your senses get disjointed. For example, when you see you cannot hear, when you hear you cannot smell, and when you smell you cannot touch. But it looks as though it is all happening at the same time, because these senses are being coordinated so very fast. That gives the illusion of your being there.
Actually you are not there, but the senses are creating the illusion – a trick being played on you by your brain as though you are there. In Hindu Awakening, this is slowed down, that is – when you hear you cannot smell, when you small you cannot touch – in a fraction of a second it is separated. Once that happens, the ‘Self’ is gone, what you call the ‘Biological Self’, is gone.
If you look at a tree, you are not there looking at the tree, only the tree is there. If you look at the Moon, you are not looking at the Moon, only the Moon is there, it is filling your Consciousness, that’s all, you are not there. When you look at the sky, only the sky is there. Whatever you look at, that only is there. You are not there. That is Hindu Awakening. All this happens, step-by-step, you have to be going on practicing staying with the ‘what-is’ ….
Once you get the Paramatma in your life then you have to only say, “I want Christian Awakening!”. One Deeksha, it is done. You must say, “I want Buddhist Awakening!”, one Deeksha, it is done. “I want Islamic Awakening!”, one Deeksha, it is done. “I want Hindu Awakening!”, it is done. Over. We call this the ‘short way’. That is the long way. So nowadays we run two Courses, for example for the Western people when we say “Oneness Deepening” that deals with the long way.
Now for example what is starting now is called the “Special Oneness Deepening”, there we teach them the ‘short way’. So there’s a ‘long way’, there is a ‘short way’. So it is up to you to choose whether you want the ‘long way’ or the ‘short way’, it is purely yours.
So, We spoke about AdiShankara moving beyond the Light into Bramhan or Om. So about 1600 years ago he has chanted ….
Sri Bhagwan: Sorry for the break, we will continue with the Chants.
[Vikram Dasaji chants the “NirvanaDashakam” first revealed by AdiShankara – 10 verses that are said to contain the essence of all Vedatic teachings. Each verse ends with “Shiva Kevaloham” – ‘I am the form of Pure Auspiciousness’.]
Sri Bhagwan: Now, are there people who have experienced all these States? Yes. Most of the Dasas for whom the Divine is physical have experienced all these States. For examples, your Dasa, VikramDasaji has fully experienced all these States. He talks from his personal experience.
All the Blessings to you, soon you should also be able to experience all these States. It is starting to happen to people, to the Devotees, and it will happen to you also!
Love you all, love you so much, love you!